Comments on: Continuing With The Debate On Osho’s Controversies http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/ Pankaj Mohan's Weblog Tue, 15 May 2012 06:18:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Sam http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/comment-page-1/#comment-24409 Sam Thu, 07 Jul 2011 08:57:02 +0000 http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/#comment-24409 EVERYONE MISSED.. EVERYONE MISSED..

]]> By: Akhilesh Kumar http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/comment-page-1/#comment-14035 Akhilesh Kumar Thu, 12 Aug 2010 05:08:21 +0000 http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/#comment-14035 It was deja vu all the way for me as i started reading your blog forwarded to me by a friend. I read osho for two months before i visited one his most respected communes in north india in 2001. And i looked all of the sannyasins awestruck all the time, thinking and expecting so much of what osho had said from them. What followed was a complete catastrophe!! Poor them and poor me. My mistake ! I completely admit. Eventually i stopped going to these communes gradually just as gradually as osho's words seeped into me and made me feel closer to him every passing day . Osho said once that he just wants to leave each one of us independent of everybody and in direct communion with the existence. From where i see it , his discourses and meditation techniques accomplish just that. At least for me it does. So the "only need " highlighted in the article above i.e. that of preserving his discourses is enough to preserve whatever can be preserved of the remains of the greatest man who walked this planet ever. ( yeah i might be going overboard in saying that for many of the rationals , but please understand thats a disciple talking...and nothing to him / her is greater or more beautiful than his master ...) It was deja vu all the way for me as i started reading your blog forwarded to me by a friend. I read osho for two months before i visited one his most respected communes in north india in 2001. And i looked all of the sannyasins awestruck all the time, thinking and expecting so much of what osho had said from them. What followed was a complete catastrophe!! Poor them and poor me. My mistake ! I completely admit. Eventually i stopped going to these communes gradually just as gradually as osho’s words seeped into me and made me feel closer to him every passing day . Osho said once that he just wants to leave each one of us independent of everybody and in direct communion with the existence. From where i see it , his discourses and meditation techniques accomplish just that. At least for me it does. So the “only need ” highlighted in the article above i.e. that of preserving his discourses is enough to preserve whatever can be preserved of the remains of the greatest man who walked this planet ever. ( yeah i might be going overboard in saying that for many of the rationals , but please understand thats a disciple talking…and nothing to him / her is greater or more beautiful than his master …)

]]> By: admin http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/comment-page-1/#comment-12000 admin Sat, 08 May 2010 09:00:43 +0000 http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/#comment-12000 A better question to ask would be, why should anybody listen to the past Oshoites, more so the critics? The younger generations have Osho's discourses and personal wisdom, apart from their own meditative experiences. Why should they bother about the "fun-seekers" of the yore? A better question to ask would be, why should anybody listen to the past Oshoites, more so the critics? The younger generations have Osho’s discourses and personal wisdom, apart from their own meditative experiences. Why should they bother about the “fun-seekers” of the yore?

]]> By: Prem Sanghanand http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/comment-page-1/#comment-11991 Prem Sanghanand Fri, 07 May 2010 16:42:35 +0000 http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/#comment-11991 What must happen so that people acknowledge that Osho did indeed use more N2O and Valium for his own good? Osho was fun to be around, but he was not "holy", nor does his claim to "enlightenment" make much sense either. Whatever he meant by moving "beyond enlightenment" (no man has been there before, he claimed!), whatever he meant when he really seemed to have believed that he was "Buddha's vehicle", when he advised us to wear "radioactive belts" because they keep you young, his idea that he was poisoned (on the Ranch he claimed Sheela poisoned him, then it was the US Gouvernment) ... I think it is pretty obvious, if a bit sad, that Osho was somewhat deluded towards the end, i.e. after the Rancho experiment. Still, he was charming, creative ... and mad as hatter. What I don't get, however, is why had to play the Guru game when in the end all of his teachings boil down to ... vipassana. Some people claim that he ended the Guru game - but then, one brief look into the "Rajneesh Times", or a cursory listening to the many Osho songs out there will tell you that he was so totally into it ... Maybe he needed us to finance his life. That's okay for me, we had much fun along the way with him. But why people defend him today? And why people like Anthony who have never met Osho ... that's quite beyond me. But then, every Christ needs a St. Paul, and Osho seems to have many of that. And as Osho was fond of pointing out, Jesus was mad. Well, Osho must have known ... What must happen so that people acknowledge that Osho did indeed use more N2O and Valium for his own good? Osho was fun to be around, but he was not “holy”, nor does his claim to “enlightenment” make much sense either. Whatever he meant by moving “beyond enlightenment” (no man has been there before, he claimed!), whatever he meant when he really seemed to have believed that he was “Buddha’s vehicle”, when he advised us to wear “radioactive belts” because they keep you young, his idea that he was poisoned (on the Ranch he claimed Sheela poisoned him, then it was the US Gouvernment) … I think it is pretty obvious, if a bit sad, that Osho was somewhat deluded towards the end, i.e. after the Rancho experiment.
Still, he was charming, creative … and mad as hatter. What I don’t get, however, is why had to play the Guru game when in the end all of his teachings boil down to … vipassana. Some people claim that he ended the Guru game – but then, one brief look into the “Rajneesh Times”, or a cursory listening to the many Osho songs out there will tell you that he was so totally into it … Maybe he needed us to finance his life. That’s okay for me, we had much fun along the way with him. But why people defend him today? And why people like Anthony who have never met Osho … that’s quite beyond me. But then, every Christ needs a St. Paul, and Osho seems to have many of that. And as Osho was fond of pointing out, Jesus was mad. Well, Osho must have known …

]]> By: Anand Teertha http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/comment-page-1/#comment-10617 Anand Teertha Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:25:00 +0000 http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/#comment-10617 Lol.. Trying Osho meditations will certainly provide some clues to what he is "really" trying to convey. But, if people are only interested in research and analysis meditations are not necessary; still they can make beautiful castles off of his words. Frankly, understanding Osho through logic is not a wise thing to do. Because, Osho himself will soon blew those castles away (without notice). Hey, but it is fun! Lol.. Trying Osho meditations will certainly provide some clues to what he is “really” trying to convey. But, if people are only interested in research and analysis meditations are not necessary; still they can make beautiful castles off of his words. Frankly, understanding Osho through logic is not a wise thing to do. Because, Osho himself will soon blew those castles away (without notice). Hey, but it is fun!

]]> By: sudheer http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/comment-page-1/#comment-9948 sudheer Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:20:21 +0000 http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/#comment-9948 Here you can fine so many Osho's audio, videos and e-books http://www/oshoworld.com and http://www.messagefrommasters.com Here you can fine so many Osho’s audio, videos and e-books

http://www/oshoworld.com and http://www.messagefrommasters.com

]]> By: white magpie http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/comment-page-1/#comment-7854 white magpie Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:10:49 +0000 http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/#comment-7854 Once the master departs, there is nothing left but the business. I am not surprised that the Koregaon park one does not share bliss vibes. It is more like a resort now. Once the master departs, there is nothing left but the business. I am not surprised that the Koregaon park one does not share bliss vibes. It is more like a resort now.

]]> By: admin http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/comment-page-1/#comment-6935 admin Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:09:55 +0000 http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/#comment-6935 <strong>Ricardo</strong>, you spoke more about yourself than testing me. From what I see, people often indulge in fruitless chatters regarding Osho. This includes some very serious-minded human beings. I've spent enough time observing this in the real and cyber domains, both. I've a very specific opinion about him, which takes the good and leaves the bad out of him. Those who spent years following him until the point of his demise - and my criticism, if any, is directed towards them - before starting to complain, hardly make any sense. I take the extra effort answering the -ve remarks to help those, who might be looking to have something good from Osho. it is futile IMHO to gauge the people online from their passing remarks, something you seem to do. My previous reference "from which intellectual position you opine" had an obvious suggestion. Ricardo, you spoke more about yourself than testing me. From what I see, people often indulge in fruitless chatters regarding Osho. This includes some very serious-minded human beings. I’ve spent enough time observing this in the real and cyber domains, both. I’ve a very specific opinion about him, which takes the good and leaves the bad out of him. Those who spent years following him until the point of his demise – and my criticism, if any, is directed towards them – before starting to complain, hardly make any sense.

I take the extra effort answering the -ve remarks to help those, who might be looking to have something good from Osho. it is futile IMHO to gauge the people online from their passing remarks, something you seem to do. My previous reference “from which intellectual position you opine” had an obvious suggestion.

]]> By: Ricardo http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/comment-page-1/#comment-6929 Ricardo Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:08:42 +0000 http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/#comment-6929 That message was only intended to test you. Due to the answer, it will not be fruitful, for both sides, continuing. I deeply apoligise for giving you work on answering that. I do not have this right. That message was only intended to test you. Due to the answer, it will not be fruitful, for both sides, continuing. I deeply apoligise for giving you work on answering that. I do not have this right.

]]> By: admin http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/comment-page-1/#comment-6851 admin Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:09:32 +0000 http://proaudience.com/2008/04/continuing-with-the-debate-on-oshos-controversies/#comment-6851 I think, it also depends on how and from which intellectual position you look at Osho. I distinctly divide Osho's well-wishers and critics into two groups. The first one consists of those who might have personally known Osho or had been to his communes. They have a deeper understanding of him, and in some cases a lot more than they should be having. The other side mainly consists of a distant listener like me, who has no idea of the things taking place around Osho. This group too has many of his critics, with often funny reasons to look down on him. I won't be delving into those aspects. But I believe, a large number of his well-wishers, including this blogger, would never want to bother about his history knowledge. They are content with Osho's ability to read through the human minds. The rest has little significance. I could connect with Budhdha, Krishna and Meera more deeply than ever before, after listening to his ideas. I enhanced as a human being listening to his opinion. Whether this was complete or not in someone else's opinion doesn't matter. Neither could I generalize and enforce my own views onto the others. They should make their own mind up about Osho. I think, it also depends on how and from which intellectual position you look at Osho. I distinctly divide Osho’s well-wishers and critics into two groups. The first one consists of those who might have personally known Osho or had been to his communes. They have a deeper understanding of him, and in some cases a lot more than they should be having.

The other side mainly consists of a distant listener like me, who has no idea of the things taking place around Osho. This group too has many of his critics, with often funny reasons to look down on him. I won’t be delving into those aspects.

But I believe, a large number of his well-wishers, including this blogger, would never want to bother about his history knowledge. They are content with Osho’s ability to read through the human minds. The rest has little significance. I could connect with Budhdha, Krishna and Meera more deeply than ever before, after listening to his ideas. I enhanced as a human being listening to his opinion. Whether this was complete or not in someone else’s opinion doesn’t matter. Neither could I generalize and enforce my own views onto the others. They should make their own mind up about Osho.

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